Making a Foggy Canopy Clear Again
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2015/04/07 23:10:27
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upward from dullcote, quick fix?
Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
Brighton, MO
So, I sprayed a couple Valkyries with glosscote start to prevent whatsoever fogging when I sprayed dullcote, and it fogged upwardly anyways, I tried to spray clearcote over it to maybe remedy the problem, and it didn't fix it, I demand quick fixes to this trouble! Likewise, the rest of the model frosted upwardly from the dullcote equally well. :(
2015/04/07 23:31:07
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upwardly from dullcote, quick fix?
Longtime Dakkanaut
Gloss coat doesn't prevent fogging from flat coats.
You lot can endeavor some varnish remover (normally an ammonia type), but I wouldn't hold your breath.
I retrieve the trick you're thinking of is Klear / Future, which tin be removed with ammonia solution (taking whatever you lot put on superlative of it abroad too).
Depends on exactly what you lot've used.
2015/04/07 23:33:45
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged up from dullcote, quick fix?
Norn Queen
Vaguely recall hearing that natural olive oil swabbed over it will clear it and remove the frosty effect.
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2015/04/08 02:04:01
Subject: Re:Valkyrie Canopy fogged up from dullcote, quick set?
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2015/04/08 06:08:36
Field of study: Valkyrie Canopy fogged up from dullcote, quick fix?
Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
Brighton, MO
That wasn't exactly my problem, my canopies are already fogged up, I just need to remove fog from them.
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A trivial update, olive oil and windex haven't worked, soaking them in simple greenish to remove the fog/frosting.
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2015/04/09 05:12:21
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upwardly from dullcote, quick fix?
Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
Brighton, MO
Ok folks, my trouble is actually that the canopies are frosted, non fogged, any assist would be appreciated, everything so far has non worked in removing it. (Windex, Olive oil, and Uncomplicated greenish bath)
2015/04/09 07:29:12
Discipline: Valkyrie Awning fogged up from dullcote, quick prepare?
Colonel
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PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Ok folks, my problem is actually that the canopies are frosted, non fogged, any help would be appreciated, everything so far has not worked in removing it. (Windex, Olive oil, and Simple green bath)
I don't think there is really anything you can do at this point, brusk of replacing the canopy, and y'all can go one on eBay for a couple of dollars.
In the futurity, exist certain to mask any clear parts before you lot spray any kind of varnish on the model.
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2015/04/09 07:58:58
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upwards from dullcote, quick fix?
Fixture of Dakka
My suggestion is to say f* information technology, and merely paint the canopies black or nighttime grey. If you own an airbrush, make information technology go from black to dark grey (and maybe medium grey at the end), and information technology will simply look like tinted drinking glass.
Or email GW and beg for new $.25.
2015/04/09 09:04:43
Bailiwick: Valkyrie Awning fogged upwardly from dullcote, quick ready?
Grizzled Infinite Wolves Nifty Wolf
Ok folks, my problem is actually that the canopies are frosted, not fogged, any aid would be appreciated, everything and so far has non worked in removing it. (Windex, Olive oil, and Simple green bathroom)
Yous mean the varnish has caused it to go frosted? It's hard to say without looking at it in person, but yous could dip information technology in flooring finish. If it's very crude, yous could sand and polish it showtime, then dip it in floor end.
Yous tin can see how people employ polishing + future flooring finish on canopies here...
http://world wide web.scalespot.com/onthebench/f16c/build.htm
Or otherwise simply buy a new one off ebay or beg GW for another one.
2015/04/09 10:26:51
Field of study: Valkyrie Canopy fogged up from dullcote, quick prepare?
Fixture of Dakka
@Skink -- is information technology possible to smooth plastic canopies? I've never given it a fair endeavor, but I failed miserably when a plastic canopy frosted up years (decades?) agone -- due to superglue fumes -- and everything I tried fabricated information technology worse.
Information technology'southward all proficient though; it turned into a lesson of caution, and since then, I've been very conscientious with canopies.
2015/04/09 10:53:37
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upward from dullcote, quick fix?
Grizzled Infinite Wolves Great Wolf
Aye, you tin polish plastic canopies (I'll qualify it by proverb I don't know if all canopies are made from the same plastic, possibly there'south some weird plastics you tin't shine, merely the ones I've tried information technology works fine). It'southward pretty common practice amidst those who brand scale model shipping.
I've never tried polishing out superglue fumes, I imagine yous can though.
If y'all have a scratch or mould line on a canopy that you want to remove, sand it off (using the finest sandpaper y'all can use and still remove it) so work your fashion upwardly to super fine grit sand paper and finally polishing compounds + foam or cloth polishing pads. Yous can't get it perfect merely with polishing though, at least I've never been able to become information technology perfect, lol, e'er still accept a few swirl marks or faint scratch marks when the light hits it in a certain mode. That's why yous dip it in hereafter Hereafter Flooring Wax when yous're done to give information technology a nice shine.
I imagine you could use the same process to remove superglue frosting. Possibly attempt some mild solvents first though? I've luckily managed to avert superglue frost on clear plastic and so I've never had to larn how to deal with information technology.
With acrylics y'all can too practise flame polishing, simply I've never tried that on an bodily canopy, but on sheets of clear acrylic. It may or may non piece of work on your typical plastic awning (and I wouldn't recommend it if in that location'south other substances on peak of the plastic causing the frosting as I imagine it'd end badly!).
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2015/04/09 10:57:30
Subject area: Valkyrie Canopy fogged up from dullcote, quick fix?
Longtime Dakkanaut
Sure, sand it back, become upwardly to 2000 grit ish, so use a polishing textile and toothpaste. Same trick you use for polishing metal to a mirror finish.
2015/04/09 11:28:44
Bailiwick: Valkyrie Awning fogged upwardly from dullcote, quick fix?
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Computer case modders used to take to polish fine scratches out o the plexiglass inserts they put into their cases to show off the gubbins.
They'd often use argent smoothen (very fine abrasive) to exercise it. And then it IS possible to buff the scratches/fogging off, but it will accept some try.
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2015/04/09 14:fourteen:58
Subject field: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upwards from dullcote, quick fix?
Grizzled Infinite Wolves Great Wolf
chromedog wrote:
Computer case modders used to have to polish fine scratches out o the plexiglass inserts they put into their cases to evidence off the gubbins.They'd ofttimes use silver smoothen (very fine annoying) to do information technology. So information technology IS possible to buff the scratches/fogging off, but it volition have some endeavor.
You can get plastic polishing compounds from auto parts stores, it's used to restore headlights. I accept also used toothpaste and information technology seemed to work (using a dremel with a polishing wheel, wouldn't attempt doing that super fine polish by hand).
If you look up headlight restoration and acrylic aquarium restoration you'll find some stuff as well for polishing clear acrylics.
But you simply need to polish information technology as far as is needed for a flooring cease to piece of work. Y'all'll actually struggle to smoothen it perfect (I won't say "never", but I have yet to get to get something I've been 100% happy with, I think example modders and acrylic fish tank aficionados are less fussy than I am with models, lol).
2015/04/09 xvi:20:19
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upwardly from dullcote, quick fix?
Fixture of Dakka
Huh! Interesting stuff... thanks, man 
I haven't had a problem in a long time, because since that happened I've been a lot more careful with using non too much superglue, and I let it dry in a way that it can exhale. As well, more recently, I've switched to a more expensive superglue that'southward guaranteed not to frost.
If it does ever happen again, though, I'll try to gear up it just cuz!
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2015/04/09 22:30:20
Subject field: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upward from dullcote, quick fix?
Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
Brighton, MO
Ok, so allow me detail what happened in chronological order.
Sprayed awning with glosscote, dried, then switched over to dullcote, fogged. after 24 hours, I sprayed with a matte sealer (different to glosscote) and it frosted...
I really can't afford to buy replacements right now, but I may have to... does anything dissolve glosscote/dullcote/sealer?
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Ok folks, my problem is actually that the canopies are frosted, not fogged, any aid would be appreciated, everything then far has not worked in removing information technology. (Windex, Olive oil, and Uncomplicated light-green bath)I don't recollect there is really anything you tin do at this indicate, short of replacing the canopy, and you tin can get one on eBay for a couple of dollars.
In the future, be certain to mask any clear parts before you lot spray any kind of varnish on the model.
And that's an auction, not a purchase it now...
I need to buy canopies, there are Two Valkyries that take ruined parts I need replacements for. :(
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2015/04/09 22:38:39
Field of study: Valkyrie Awning fogged up from dullcote, quick fix?
Legendary Master of the Affiliate
Ok, so let me detail what happened in chronological guild.Sprayed awning with glosscote, dried, then switched over to dullcote, fogged. after 24 hours, I sprayed with a matte sealer (dissimilar to glosscote) and it frosted...
I really can't afford to buy replacements right now, but I may have to... does anything dissolve glosscote/dullcote/sealer?
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Ok folks, my problem is actually that the canopies are frosted, not fogged, whatsoever assist would exist appreciated, everything so far has not worked in removing information technology. (Windex, Olive oil, and Simple green bath)I don't think in that location is really anything you lot tin practice at this point, short of replacing the canopy, and you tin can go ane on eBay for a couple of dollars.
In the time to come, be sure to mask whatsoever clear parts before you spray whatsoever kind of varnish on the model.
And that's an auction, not a buy information technology at present...
I need to buy canopies, at that place are TWO Valkyries that have ruined parts I need replacements for. :(
Have you tried isopronoal alcohol? unremarkably takes off lots of things without hurting plastic.
employ higher than 95% for best results.
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2015/04/09 22:50:59
Subject: Valkyrie Awning fogged up from dullcote, quick fix?
Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
Brighton, MO
I put a bit of 95% booze in the SG mixture to help deliquesce things, and it hasn't worked, I'll have to get some it seems. Any other things help dissolve but don't hurt plastic?
2015/04/09 22:56:41
Field of study: Valkyrie Canopy fogged up from dullcote, quick fix?
Legendary Main of the Chapter
I put a bit of 95% alcohol in the SG mixture to aid deliquesce things, and information technology hasn't worked, I'll have to become some it seems. Any other things help dissolve but don't hurt plastic?
Elementary green inverse formula a while back.
just use the 95% it self
if you are putting it into SG which is mostly water all you are doing is diluting its Power!
try a little loving cup of it and dunk it in then rub information technology off with a fine fabric.
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2015/04/09 23:05:27
Subject: Valkyrie Awning fogged up from dullcote, quick fix?
Colonel
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Ok, then let me detail what happened in chronological order.Sprayed awning with glosscote, dried, then switched over to dullcote, fogged. afterwards 24 hours, I sprayed with a matte sealer (different to glosscote) and it frosted...
I really can't afford to buy replacements correct now, but I may accept to... does annihilation dissolve glosscote/dullcote/sealer?
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Ok folks, my problem is actually that the canopies are frosted, not fogged, any help would be appreciated, everything then far has not worked in removing it. (Windex, Olive oil, and Uncomplicated green bath)I don't think there is actually anything you lot tin do at this point, brusque of replacing the awning, and yous can go one on eBay for a couple of dollars.
In the future, be sure to mask any clear parts before y'all spray whatever kind of varnish on the model.
And that'due south an auction, not a buy information technology at present...
I need to purchase canopies, there are TWO Valkyries that have ruined parts I need replacements for. :(
Dullcote and Glosscote are both lacquers and they probably aren't going to come off, no matter what you lot do, unless you lot apply a chemical paint stripper and scrub information technology off (which will ruin the tiny plastic piece.
Like I've said, either buy a new canopy for a few dollars, merely paint over it, or get out it alone.
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2015/04/09 23:23:29
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upwards from dullcote, quick fix?
Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
Brighton, MO
ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Ok, so allow me detail what happened in chronological order.Sprayed canopy with glosscote, dried, then switched over to dullcote, fogged. after 24 hours, I sprayed with a matte sealer (different to glosscote) and it frosted...
I really can't afford to buy replacements correct at present, merely I may have to... does anything dissolve glosscote/dullcote/sealer?
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Ok folks, my problem is actually that the canopies are frosted, not fogged, any assist would be appreciated, everything so far has non worked in removing it. (Windex, Olive oil, and Simple green bath)I don't think there is really anything y'all tin practise at this bespeak, short of replacing the canopy, and you tin become one on eBay for a couple of dollars.
In the future, be sure to mask any articulate parts before you spray any kind of varnish on the model.
And that's an sale, non a buy it now...
I need to buy canopies, at that place are 2 Valkyries that have ruined parts I need replacements for. :(
Dullcote and Glosscote are both lacquers and they probably aren't going to come off, no matter what yous do, unless y'all apply a chemical paint stripper and scrub it off (which will ruin the tiny plastic piece.
Like I've said, either buy a new awning for a few dollars, but pigment over it, or get out it alone.
I tin can't buy 2 new ones from your link, that's an auction, not even guaranteed to become the part I accept to fight for it, and so there'due south the OTHER Valkyrie I accept to buy a part for...
I need ii clear sprues, and I need to purchase them from a shop, non ebay, but ane on ebay is an auction for i sprue. I can't even flat out buy information technology.
2015/04/10 00:01:02
Subject area: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upward from dullcote, quick fix?
Colonel
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I can't purchase two new ones from your link, that's an auction, non even guaranteed to get the part I have to fight for it, then there's the OTHER Valkyrie I take to buy a part for...I demand two articulate sprues, and I need to buy them from a store, not ebay, only ane on ebay is an sale for one sprue. I can't even flat out buy it.
I understand that it is an auction, but if you lot want a replacement awning, it's probably going to exist your only selection. There isn't a "store" that sells just the piece you need exterior of eBay stores (which is where that auction is located). Wait until the end of the auction and try to snipe it and so look until they repost some other 1 (it's how eBay stores that auction bits do business organisation).
Y'all can try contacting GW customer support, simply in that location is no guarantee that they'll ship yous replacement pieces. Nevertheless, it could be worth a try then I would suggest sending them an email to find out.
Seriously, at this indicate painting over it or trying to purchase a new 1 are pretty much your just options. Simple Dark-green, isopropyl alcohol, or Windex aren't going to remove 2 coats of lacquer. Like has been previously mentioned, yous can try moisture sanding with progressively higher grit sand paper and so buffing the clear parts with 12000 grit sanding sponge but it's going to take a lot of work. If you don't already have the material to do it with you lot'll probably end up spending more coin to buy information technology all than if you only bought new ones from the eBay sale I linked to you.
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2015/04/10 00:xvi:09
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged up from dullcote, quick fix?
Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
Brighton, MO
I can't pigment over information technology, information technology's a commission... and I don't have fourth dimension to expect 3+ weeks to get both pieces...
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2015/04/10 01:08:52
Subject: Valkyrie Awning fogged up from dullcote, quick ready?
Colonel
This Is Where the Fish Lives
I tin can't paint over it, it's a committee... and I don't have time to wait 3+ weeks to become both pieces...
Then your only option is to try and sand/shine the pieces, simply I wouldn't expect as well much from it since you are trying to sand off two coats of lacquer. It isn't going to exist quick or easy and there'south a skilful adventure it will be all for nil.
If information technology is a commission you need to contact your customer and explain the situation to him/her and lay out the options and them him decide how to go along.
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2015/04/10 01:16:17
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged up from dullcote, quick set?
Douglas Bader
I can't paint over it, it'due south a commission... and I don't have fourth dimension to wait 3+ weeks to get both pieces...
Well then you lot're screwed. Sometimes at that place just isn't a good respond to a problem and you have to accept the loss. Consider it a lesson for the future: don't spray matte varnish on clear parts.
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2015/04/10 02:28:51
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upwards from dullcote, quick set up?
Grizzled Space Wolves Slap-up Wolf
Can the cockpit however be removed?
Have you tried the isopropyl alcohol yet? Utilise a high % IPA (90% or more than, we tin can get 99% in hardware stores over here pretty cheap, don't dilute it with other stuff). I know that information technology can remove small amounts of dullcote, don't know how well it'll remove several layers of glosscote and dullcote every bit I've never tried it.
If that doesn't work you could try cellulose thinners, Testors/Humbrol airbrush thinners (the diversity for enamels) or turpentine or white spirit. I've seen tutorial videos from Humbrol where they use their enamel thinners to soften an enamel varnish (for the sake of weathering techniques)
Warning: I have no idea what whatever of this will practise to clear plastic, I've never tried it on clear plastic, I recommend trying it on a examination piece first.
If none of that works, sanding is your next option like I mentioned above. I accept already posted a couple of links, here's another one...
http://www.scalemodellingnow.com/techniques-banking concern-preview
But the cost of all the stuff required to practice the sanding volition prepare you back a few dollars likewise. You're going to need the floor stop.
Beyond that I accept no thought. I'd exist trying to contact GW and simply meet if they'll assist you lot out at all.
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Peregrine wrote:
I can't pigment over it, it's a commission... and I don't accept time to wait iii+ weeks to become both pieces...
Well then you lot're screwed. Sometimes there just isn't a practiced answer to a problem and you take to accept the loss. Consider it a lesson for the futurity: don't spray matte varnish on clear parts.
I'd say if you don't want frosty canopies, don't e'er spray cockpits with whatever kind of varnish, be it matte or gloss. Mask them off if you want them to stay nice and clear.
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2015/04/10 02:47:27
Field of study: Valkyrie Canopy fogged up from dullcote, quick prepare?
Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
Brighton, MO
I've got them soaking in alcohol correct now. Does GW fifty-fifty answer their email anymore???
2015/04/10 02:51:02
Subject area: Valkyrie Canopy fogged up from dullcote, quick gear up?
Grizzled Space Wolves Keen Wolf
Last time I had to email GW was correct when they were changing their site and it took a day or two to go a reply. I don't know what they're commonly like.
2015/04/ten 03:06:49
Subject: Valkyrie Canopy fogged upward from dullcote, quick gear up?
Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
Brighton, MO
Alright, they've been emailed...
2015/04/ten 03:15:09
Subject: Valkyrie Awning fogged up from dullcote, quick ready?
Grizzled Infinite Wolves Great Wolf
How did the IPA work? Has it softened it? I don't imagine you lot'd accept to leave them in there too long to run across if it'south working.
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